I do hope it does apply as I abhor the practices of for-profit schools. Understand that I'm not from MI and I'm not trying to demonize this school.
It's just that I saw a few red flags on their website that reminded me of problems associated with for-profit schools and would like to share what I've experienced with them. OP - Keep in mind what roser13 said and that you need to do your research, both on and off the Internet. Educate yourself to the practices of for-profit schools.
As you said in your original post, you have sensed some bad feelings about the school. Calling the HR departments of local hospitals and asking about this school might be a good idea. Also, as roser13 said, there are state specific forums here under the "Region" tab at the top of the page, you may get more info in the Michigan forum.
Jan 20, Jan 30, Hey there! I just wanted to tell you that I graduated from Baker in December and I had 2 job offers within 2 weeks of graduating. Not sure what you are all hearing, but I speak from experience. Baker worked for me. Also two more girls got jobs out of the state after graduating. Aug 23, You said you have been offered 2 jobs?
Are they in a well known hospital or facility or one of the smaller ones? I want to be at a particular hospital and I am just curious because I have heard alot of negative things about Baker and I am currently taking classes and about ready to apply for the program. Also, which campus did you attend? Thank you so much for your help! A LOT of nursing schools lose large percentages of students- that doesn't always reflect on the school- sometimes the students find that they're not cut out for nursing willingly or otherwise:D.
All schools are going to make themselves sound like the next best thing to sliced bread May 22, Hello Remigirl, I think you should email me at po hotmail. Sep 9, I have heard great things about how difficult the program is and how well educated the graduates become. It was difficult to get in over people applied and only 16 entered the PN program but if you are confident you can get good grades and do well on the Kaplan it is great. My gpa was 4. I know accredidation might seem to you very important, but speaking from a business owner perspective, I don't look to see if my nurses schools are accrediated, I look to see that they know their stuff.
I attended OTG classes at other colleges and with my schedule, working parent, I believe Baker Online is a better choice for me. I did have a misconception that online would somehow be easier. The posting can be difficult and I understand the frustration of APA. To be clear the frustration usually comes form APA in regards to the posting requirements. I have not been given credit on a few post because I didn't cite even though the information I posted was general knowledge.
The math classes are the toughest but most of the instructors are good about keeping them going. They may seem like general obvious questions but if you post they are pretty good about giving credit.
Be prepared to teach yourself and utilize outside sources for help with learning. I have an outside tutor for my math classes and in general the web has great resources for help with other classes. It is not easy and I have had pretty good luck with instructors. I have never had an instructor be late except with final grades. Some of the one star post I agree with but online schooling is for a certain type of person. I am already a professional in a field for 15 years so the degree is just for a boost to management.
The Classes are 6 weeks long and it is usually over before it began. Very fast paced and there is a lot of information to digest. Mids and finals are pretty tough, maybe a little tougher then the OTG classes as I remember but that may just be because the OTG finals were many years ago and these ones come every 3 weeks.
Do or don't it's not easy or for everybody so good luck either way. I enrolled in the BSME program a few years ago after beginning a program in Florida and being forced to transfer back home to Michigan for financial reasons. I had no desire at the age of 30 to recommit myself to yet another traditional institution because I had been to too many and just wanted to get my BSME over with. Here is where the garbage starts.
I went to my first class and I believe there were students. The head of the program had a Masters not a PHD. The classes were very unstructured and the level of academic rigor on the subjects I was studying was significantly less than I was used to.
The tests were easy. Funny almost. And I eventually would find that in my core classes maybe half of the time would be instructional and the rest would be just shootin the stuff some days. I was so mortified and disgusted with Baker that I transferred the next semester in what would be my final transfer to SVSU where I did graduate.
The problem with baker is that I would argue that a lot of your peers are not competitive, the instructors are lazy, the program is too protracted and sliced up to extract maximum cash from students, the classes often DO NOT transfer to a traditional institution, the location is very unpleasant, etc. If you have to go to Baker than good luck to you but you would be far better off at a local public school or even a community college which at least will maintain a traditional academic atmosphere with transferrable courses and articulation agreements.
It's a diploma mill. I know my work is shabby but I get A's. The teachers don't want bad reviews so they pass everybody. If they do something you don't like, you can go straight to the top and complain and get what you want. Clearly some of the people posting were not in the online program, others speak of not for working parents, APA style, grading system, 5 out of 7 day posts.
I believe these people are just complainers. How hard is it to have 2 posts and you get to pick which 5 days you post on and also you have until 12 midnight to do so. APA style, if you have windows you select the writing style and it will format everything for you, cite, etc.
Bakers online is so simple, like other smart, logical, people your posted great things, if you do the work you will not have any problems. I work, I am a parent, people stop complaining because you lacked the effort and dedication. Maybe online classes are not for you! I have been a student at Baker Online for 3 plus years and have had several instructors and most of them are good in what they do. It is not the instructor's job to hold a college student's hand to walk them through assignments and if you can't cut the high paced environment and want to take your time getting a degree, then do NOT attend Baker Online.
It is EXPECTED that you will work hard to earn your degree and while it may be true about the outages of Blackboard, most of the time this is not the staff's fault and instead a different problem that is usually solved by the student installing the proper software browser version to enable things to work. A great school and a great place to learn!!! Oh yeah, it's relatively cheap. Can't think of anything else positive.
The "professors" seem very unhappy and that is reflected in their hostile attitudes. There is very little support. There is indeed a strange fixation on the number forum posts you do, quite odd. I'm looking for another school. Score: Overall 2. After one and a half years, I have a laundry list of issues and not much good to say about Baker College, however, I will post the good towards the end. Materials: Books are typical college level text.
There are no lectures and about half of the instructors I have had will offer the textbook's accompanying power-point slides. All classes rely solely on the textbooks. Assigned chapters to read each week and assignments consist of the textbooks end-of-chapter exercises or questions.
Teachers: 1. Just one instructor I have had thus far actually seemed knowledgeable of the curricula. Very few instructors post grades on time and few reply to emails before two or three days.
Institution: 2. No one is ever in their office and leaving messages rarely works. Backboard system which is where all work and communication goes through for Online students has a extremely low up-rate and students receive several Blackboard outage emails each week.
I had to determine the best time of the day to log-in because of a two, sometimes three, minute delay while submitting answers on quizzes and test. The delay caused for over ten hours recorded of wasted time staring at the screen waiting for Backboard during the first five weeks of the course.
I spent a considerable amount of time just trying to convey my experience with the colleges officials and nothing seemed to come out of it. The college is completely non-responsive to any complaints and for that I scored them a 2. Support: 1. See previous. Value: 5 This is one of the few good things to score of my experience with Baker College. Technology: 1. I know of much better technology than that of which Baker College administers. The college cannot even seem to keep there email system up.
All video resources used by all instructors which are far few and in-between seemed filmed thirty years ago. Mainly just the math courses have used videos as part of the curricula. The Oral Communication course requires video uploaded and the system used to upload and review is utterly junk. As a tech guy, I can say with certainty, Baker has not much pride in their use and administration of technology. They must save a fortune in this area. I did much research before deciding on Baker, however, I regret my decision much.
I just transferred to a local University mostly to take advantage of class lectures and the benefits of having a instructor that participates in the learning process. Baker College seems almost like a Degree mill in that you are given a textbook, expected to teach yourself entirely from just the book, and take erroneous tests and quizzes to prove your understanding of the material.
I can buy the textbooks for half the price Baker sells them for and teach myself for much less money. I have received an A in courses which I did not feel comfortable with the material whatsoever and received a B in courses which I already understood every bit of the material before talking the class.
The Baker system is very much flawed and there are many holes in it. I took three programming classes which covered the exact same material.
I could not image being ready for the job market after graduating from the Computer Science program at Baker. If you are looking for a easy degree which mostly consist of posting whatever to a discussion board twice five days a week for each course, than Baker is for you. Other programs may involve a much better curricula than the C, so please do not consider my post if not seeking a CS degree. The overall experience and service should apply to all.
Recap: the good-an degree mill. Easy degree, but not for those who actually want to get a job after college. I just have to say, after reading all the complaints on this forum; I can understand why these people are saying that Baker College Online is so horrible.
It is because they are not meant for online schooling; some people just lack the self-discipline to teach themselves--which is basically what online schooling consists of. However, one benefit is being able to complete your work at any time of the day. In addition, you can do this work in the comfort of your own home instead of having to drive to a campus and sit through boring lectures.
For anyone looking into information on Baker College, I can provide you with a solid review of what you can expect. First off, you have to participate in active discussion on their forums with meaningful posts at least 5 out of 7 days a week.
This participation is a majority of your grade, which in turn, many people may call it ridiculous; however, how many brick and mortar schools let you show up whenever you want and turn in your work at your leisure? If you do not, it is called plagiarism, which is against the law!
In regards to the instructors, I admit that some of them do not seem like the most respected professors that one may expect from a college. However, I have witnessed their students first hand and what they have to deal with on a daily basis.
The idiocy of said students often makes my head hurt when trying to participate in mandatory class discussions. These are the same students that are failed from the class and then go complain about it to anyone that will listen to their sob-story. I only say this because these sub-par students would have their degree handed to them because they made their payments on time, instead of being failed because of their lack of effort.
However, I must sum this up by saying that Baker College Online is not for anyone. Moreover, it is also more expensive than your local community college. As with anything in life, you must strive to achieve excellence, if not you will not make it regardless of what legitimate college you attend.
If this is the case, then you are better off paying four times the tuition to get your degree handed to you by University of Phoenix so that you can hang it on your wall and let it collect dust while employers laugh in your face. I completed my associate degree in business at Baker in Clinton Township, with a concentration in graphic communications.
In my final year, they changed the program title to Digital Media and Design. The worst part is that the teacher I had for MOST of my graphic classes, didn't even know how to use the software. Isn't that what digital media means? People have written reviews saying the cost was low for this college. Macomb charges about half of that. Now for the REAL problem In fact, I know it better than a lot of my instructors do. Too bad it is utterly useless.
I would have rather walked out of college with that much knowledge about the subject of my degree. The demands of citing sources in a format you will NEVER use anywhere else in your life, far overshadow the actual content of the course. I have seriously spent days writing papers that could have been completed in a couple of hours because I spent more time trying to find and cite sources.
The tests online are copy and pasted, not written by the instructor, so I have had far too many instances where I got a question wrong because it was misleading. Let me give you an example. I just took a test in Geography and the question asked which country had the most compact territorial shape. That week we were talking about South America, so I found it odd that Panama was listed as one of the multiple choice answers, since it is in Central America.
The correct answer, according to the instructor, was Uraguay. However, since we had just learned abour Central America the week before, I figured it was a trick question because Panama isn't even hal the size of Uraguay.
Needless to say, I got it wrong and she will not buge on it. Look it up, CLEARLY Panama is smaller, but you can't ask questions about a test online when your in the middle of taking the test that is due that day. Chances are, you won't get a response before you need to post it anyways. This happens all the time!
Shouldn't the instructor write their own tests based on what they actually taught you? Don't even get me started on the books either! I immediatly looked up how much they would buy it back for For a non-profit school, they sure are screwing you over on the cost of books.
I would love to see them offer books on loan instead of putting giant tv's in the lobby that serve no purpose to anyone, or having a pond full of fish in the lobby.
I feel like I got robbed going here. I can't seem to find ANY jobs in graphics, so I have started my bachelors in health care administration in hopes that I might find something there. Shameful really, isn't it? I am seriously considering talking to my councelor about switching over to teaching, because obviously you do not need a quality degree to teach online classes here at Baker.
The school is a joke really, and I would be happy to argue with anyone who feels differently. I have been a stay at home mom for several years, and I have been trying to get back into the work force, but because of economy and my years of not working I was not able to obtain a job. I graduated from the Baker college Medical Insurance Program where I learned medical billing and coding. The teachers were mixed as far as abilities.
One was really horrible and disorganized. She would teach one thing and give a test on some thing else. She was hard to predict and wasted a lot of time. She let students talk for hours with no lecture going on at all or anything. However, I liked her personality. My biggest complaint about Baker is that they are the same as a used car salesman or anyone who would try to sell you something. The admission counselor told me everyone got a job through the externship. This was the main reason I signed up.
I was so looking forward to the externship, and thought I would learn a ton of stuff. All they did was give me repetitive work that nobody wanted to do. I learned very little. Supervisors would actually get mad at externs who asked too many questions and disrupted their day.
Baker needed to find better places for these externships or not require it I worked for free tied to a computer. Oh, and they treated you like second class too. I've had some temp jobs and I'm still looking.
I have decided to give up on billing and coding. They played up the program like a sales person promising me a job that didn't happen. I resent that college and the people there. They left out a lot of details. I also passed a coding certification test the first time. This was of no help either. Another big detail they never mentioned to maintain your coding certification you have to earn 36 CEU's per 2 years.
It's impossible to get them all cheaply and becomes laborsome when you don't have a job in the field. Another problem was their classes are 10 weeks long and they try to cram a lot of information into it. I am the type of person that I can study and ace tests. It doesn't mean that info stays in long term memory when having to learn everything so fast.
So my advice is They can't get you a job. The truth is everyone is going into medical and they don't need any more. If you already have a degree, taking some brush up classes would be a better idea than going through a full program. Good Luck! Please do your research everyone Im telling you from experience. I currently go to this school and im already plotting on how to get out! What really killed me about them is their grading. Its like they grade howevery they want to, some assignments I did great work but I got very little credit.
And the 2 substantive posts a day are a joke as well! They will not give you full credit for anything. This school might not be bad for everyone but i just urge you to do your research on this school and what it offers.
I thought the degree was half decent and they have good professors. A potential problem is that they are basically unknown in other parts of the country and employers tend to rather higher candidates from colleges that they know. I have had a difficult time getting a job with my degree from here and also have a master's degree from a Midwest public college as well.
You may be better off attending a local college. It is unfortunate I am from a state withe the second highest student debt load in the nation and Baker is very affordable. Maybe sometimes it is just better to get an associates from a community college and stop there. I loved my experience at Baker. I liked how most of our assignments were actually relevant to what I would be doing in the real world. The books were very up to date as well.
The program I was in taught me how to program in several languages, create websites that were interactive, database programming, using and securing web servers, and using and securing database servers. I like how the assignments were mostly hands on. Baker College Online Reviews. View Salary Scores. Write a Review. Business Bachelor's 3. Computer Science Bachelor's 2. Human Resources Bachelor's 3. John Jackson. The classes where way too easy and I didn't even read the books or attend them.
It was a waste of time. They switch from trimesters to semester and it loaded so many additional classes and it took me 8 years to graduate. Then they have the audacity to not even get back to me when I'm looking for career services.
It's been one year after graduating and I still cannot find an entry level job. They where joke classes and the books where highly unprofessional. The teachers are previous Baker college students and they did not know anything. I'm not able to secure anything and the jobs basically do not care that I went to Baker College at all.
One inperticular was from UCLA and if you missed class she would call you to check you. If you ask me that is dedication shout out to Dr. Osman however it seemed the classes were over priced and you constantly had to concern yourself with how your education was being funded. They use a canned curriculum, much of which is out of date.
The instructors are by in large either disconnected from the courses they are moderating. I chose the word moderate because they don't teach they just moderate.
Students are left by in large to teach themselves. Expect minimal if any feedback on assignments. They tend to discriminate against students with documented special needs. I have been told by the provost of the college, an extremely rude and arrogant person, that students like me aren't suited for online, and it isn't their responsibility to accommodate me.
Each semester I have to fight to get my accommodations honored. All in all, this is a pretty messed up place They love your money, but not you. Given the number of cutbacks in programs, services and staff, I think they are in trouble and possibly heading towards failure, enrollment is down substantially since I first started and seems to continue to decline. Very few of my classes were available to take on ground--many were pushed to online-only because there were no instructors available to teach these classes in person.
The conversion to semesters from quarters completely screwed me out of MANY credits that I needed to graduate. Had to take extra classes after the fact--even after completing ALL the classes on the course list. The academic advisors and staff are clueless and stick to a script thoughtless and basic responses--will not actually answer your questions directly.
Baker College is nothing but bad news. Turns out this is not a good school and I do not recommend. This is coming from someone who worked hard and got all A's for all the courses I have taken. This place is money hungry. Oh and as soon as you figure that out, you can't transfer your credits to any other school. This place offers a very limited number of professors and each semester it just keeps getting worse. So if you get a professor you can't understand, that's too bad because there are no other options besides online and online is extremely difficult for me, personally.
I'd rather be on campus but a lot of times, they took that away from me. Also, there was a time I signed up for a professor and I dropped out because I could not understand a word she said.
How can you learn if you can't understand what is being taught? It wouldn't have been that big of a deal if there were other professors available. Anyways, the next semester I signed up for a different professor for that class and I was happy because I had taken this processor before so I knew how she did things, I knew I could understand her.
Last minute they changed my schedule without even letting me know and they put me with the professor I couldn't understand, the one whose class I dropped out of. This is happened nearly every semester. Even one of my professors was getting fed up with the school. They took her classes she signed up for to teach away. And she was one of the most amazing professors, she actually helped you learn things, not just memorize things. Anyways, she ended up leaving. If you decide to go here, I really hope you have a better experience than I did.
Ridiculously high expectations, but will not tell you the expectations. Credits do not transfer. Teachers do not answer emails. Avoid at all costs! I am thousands in debt and filled with rage and regret. They were extremely friendly and persistent in helping me, and I thought this would be a good sign that Baker cared about its students.
Unfortunately, they just want you to sign up because the education they provide is the bare minimum they can give to charge you tuition. Teachers don't understand basic questions, and fumble with grammar and spelling.
All my assignments were busy work. Teachers utilized the textbook and discussion questions, but asked the same questions over and over. There are no video lectures or resources to help you learn deeper, and you won't learn enough to break into your field after graduation.
I've taken 3 semesters at Baker and am transferring out ASAP, because I feel taken advantage of by their lazy teachers and sub-par academic material.
I'm so let down that I spent money applying to this school, only to have credits that probably won't transfer, or are useless either way. Like the previous review I was following the professional track when they changed it right before me applying to my program. So then I ended up having to take 2 more classes last minute and was left with 4 classes I did not need. The business dealings of this school is horrible. Usually if something like that changes it applies to incoming students. They dont make the people already on the track now follow the new one.
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